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Add file to document that we got permission to use the original authors work.
1 cfruhwirth 1.1 This file contains the logs of the mail conversations between various
2     copyright holders in "A guided tour of CLIM" published in ACM Lisp
3     Pointers 1991. It purpose is to document that we got permission for
4     reusing the original authors' work.
5    
6     ========================================================================
7     From: Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens@endorphin.org>
8     To: rao@inxight.com
9     Subject: CLIM a guided tour
10     X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5 (beta22)
11     Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:27:28 +0100
12    
13     Hello!
14    
15     I hope I got the correct "Ramona Rao", that is, the one that has
16     co-authored "A Guided Tour of CLIM". McCLIM is an effort to provide a
17     free CLIM environment for recent CL implementations like SBCL, CMUCL,
18     et al. The community hasn't come up with a useful and short
19     documentation like your tour to introduce users to
20     CLIM. Unfortunately, CLIM has changed and the examples included in the
21     article don't run anymore.
22    
23     I would like to update this article to produce a tutorial for the McCLIM
24     community. Given the age of the article I presume that the interest in
25     commercial exploitation has also faded. Therefore, I would like to ask,
26     if it's possible to obtain any TeX source for this article. If the
27     source got lost, I could also extract the text and reformat it. Of
28     course, I would need your permission for these actions. Also, I'm not
29     sure if that's ok for ACM. Is any of that possible?
30    
31     Thanks in advance!
32    
33     P.S.: I found your article here http://lemonodor.com/archives/000765.html
34     --
35     Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org
36     for robots: sp4mtrap@endorphin.org
37    
38     From: Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens@endorphin.org>
39     To: dennis.doughty@pantero.com
40     Subject: A guided tour of CLIM - permission for 2005 update
41     X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5 (beta22)
42     Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:03:07 +0100
43    
44     Hello Mr. Doughty,
45    
46     Together with Ramana Rao and Bill York, you have authored the article "A
47     guided tour of CLIM" for ACM in 1991. CLIM has changed much since 1991,
48     especially with the release of the CLIM 2 specification.
49    
50     The CLIM community lacks a good and short introduction to CLIM like your
51     article was. I would like to update the examples in your article and
52     also rewrite parts of the article that doesn't apply to the new
53     CLIM. Assuming your permission for this action, I intend to publish this
54     update on my webpage to aid the CLIM community.
55    
56     Ramano Rao as well as Bill York give me permission for this update. ACM
57     also acknowledged this step. Now, I would like to ask, if this is ok
58     with you.
59    
60     Thank you,
61     Clemens
62    
63     P.S. Here are the mails from Ramana Rao, ACM and Bill York:
64    
65     Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour
66     Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:47:05 -0800
67     From: "Ramana Rao" <rao@inxight.com>
68     To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" <clemens@endorphin.org>
69     Cc: "Bill York" <york@comergent.com>
70    
71     Clemens,
72     Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get my hands on the original
73     tex source for that article. I happily give you permission to adapt the
74     text as supports the CLIM community. I've really been out of touch and
75     would be curious to hear any highlights of what's happening there.
76    
77     Meanwhile, Bill York may be able to put his hands on the tex source.
78    
79     Thanks,
80     Ramana
81    
82     Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour
83     Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:31:21 -0600
84     From: "Bill York" <york@comergent.com>
85     To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" <clemens@endorphin.org>
86     Cc: "Ramana Rao" <rao@inxight.com>
87    
88     I don't seem to have the source file. Good luck in your efforts.
89    
90     From: Deborah Cotton <cotton@hq.acm.org>
91     To: 'Clemens Fruhwirth' <clemens@endorphin.org>
92     Cc: permissions@acm.org
93     Subject: RE: Update to http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121996
94     Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:56:15 -0500
95     X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72)
96    
97     Dear Mr. Fruhwirth,
98    
99     Thank you for your inquiry, and interest in ACM publications.
100    
101     Because the article in question appeared in a SIG newsletter, rather than a
102     journal or conference proceedings, the authors retained copyright. In
103     this case, ACM only requires acknowledgment of the original publication.
104    
105     You have received permission from two of the three authors, but you
106     should also pursue the third author's permission, especially since you
107     have revised the original work.
108    
109     Let me know if you have any further questions.
110    
111     Best regards,
112    
113     Deborah Cotton
114     Copyright & Permissions
115     ACM Publications
116     212.869.7440 ext. 652
117     212.869.0481 fax
118     permissions@acm.org
119    
120     --
121     Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org
122     for robots: sp4mtrap@endorphin.org
123    
124     From: Robert Strandh <strandh@labri.fr>
125     Message-ID: <17326.56044.483289.241972@serveur5.labri.fr>
126     Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:46:20 +0100
127     To: clemens@endorphin.org
128     Subject: forwarded message from Dennis Doughty
129    
130     --U9PbTyCujO
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135     We got the permission!
136    
137    
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175     From: Dennis Doughty <doughty@alum.mit.edu>
176     To: strandh@labri.fr
177     Subject: Re: permission to update your CLIM article
178     Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:51:05 -0500
179    
180     Hi Robert,
181    
182     Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I'm no longer
183     at Pantero and it's only a coincidence that I ended up seeing
184     this email.
185    
186     Absolutely you may have my permission to update the article.
187    
188     Dennis Doughty
189    
190     > From: *Robert Strandh* <strandh@labri.fr <mailto:strandh@labri.fr>>
191     > Date: Dec 17, 2005 4:37 PM
192     > Subject: permission to update your CLIM article
193     > To: dennis.doughty@pantero.com <mailto:dennis.doughty@pantero.com>
194     >
195     > Dear Dennis Doughty,
196     >
197     > I am one of the original authors of McCLIM, the free implementation of
198     > CLIM that we started writing in 2000 and which is now quite usable.
199     > One of the things we lack at the moment to spread the use of CLIM is a
200     > collection of simple examples on typical usage. Your CLIM article has
201     > some very good ones, but it was apparently written for CLIM 1, and the
202     > examples do not necessarily run unmodified on a CLIM 2
203     > implementation.
204     >
205     > Clemens Fruhwirth has suggested updating the examples of your article,
206     > but for that, he needs the permission of all the authors. He has
207     > already obtained the permission from your co-authors, so we need a
208     > permission from you as well in order to go ahead. Clemens would
209     > naturally accept a refusal on your part, and is willing to write a
210     > similar article from scratch, updated for CLIM 2, but that would be
211     > unnecessary work, should you agree to let him update yours.
212     >
213     > We therefore kindly ask for your permission to update the article, or
214     > at least a clear message indicating that you do not give us such a
215     > permission. I am sure you are very busy like the rest of us, but I
216     > would very much appreciate this effort on your part.
217     >
218     > Thanks in advance,
219     > --
220     > Robert Strandh
221     >
222     > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
223     > Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C
224     > or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden
225     > slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
226     > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
227     >
228    
229    
230     --U9PbTyCujO
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234    
235    
236     --
237     Robert Strandh
238    
239     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
240     Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C
241     or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden
242     slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
243     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
244    
245     --U9PbTyCujO--
246     \

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