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Add file to document that we got permission to use the original authors work.
1 This file contains the logs of the mail conversations between various
2 copyright holders in "A guided tour of CLIM" published in ACM Lisp
3 Pointers 1991. It purpose is to document that we got permission for
4 reusing the original authors' work.
5
6 ========================================================================
7 From: Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens@endorphin.org>
8 To: rao@inxight.com
9 Subject: CLIM a guided tour
10 X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5 (beta22)
11 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:27:28 +0100
12
13 Hello!
14
15 I hope I got the correct "Ramona Rao", that is, the one that has
16 co-authored "A Guided Tour of CLIM". McCLIM is an effort to provide a
17 free CLIM environment for recent CL implementations like SBCL, CMUCL,
18 et al. The community hasn't come up with a useful and short
19 documentation like your tour to introduce users to
20 CLIM. Unfortunately, CLIM has changed and the examples included in the
21 article don't run anymore.
22
23 I would like to update this article to produce a tutorial for the McCLIM
24 community. Given the age of the article I presume that the interest in
25 commercial exploitation has also faded. Therefore, I would like to ask,
26 if it's possible to obtain any TeX source for this article. If the
27 source got lost, I could also extract the text and reformat it. Of
28 course, I would need your permission for these actions. Also, I'm not
29 sure if that's ok for ACM. Is any of that possible?
30
31 Thanks in advance!
32
33 P.S.: I found your article here http://lemonodor.com/archives/000765.html
34 --
35 Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org
36 for robots: sp4mtrap@endorphin.org
37
38 From: Clemens Fruhwirth <clemens@endorphin.org>
39 To: dennis.doughty@pantero.com
40 Subject: A guided tour of CLIM - permission for 2005 update
41 X-Mailer: MH-E 7.84; nmh 1.1; XEmacs 21.5 (beta22)
42 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:03:07 +0100
43
44 Hello Mr. Doughty,
45
46 Together with Ramana Rao and Bill York, you have authored the article "A
47 guided tour of CLIM" for ACM in 1991. CLIM has changed much since 1991,
48 especially with the release of the CLIM 2 specification.
49
50 The CLIM community lacks a good and short introduction to CLIM like your
51 article was. I would like to update the examples in your article and
52 also rewrite parts of the article that doesn't apply to the new
53 CLIM. Assuming your permission for this action, I intend to publish this
54 update on my webpage to aid the CLIM community.
55
56 Ramano Rao as well as Bill York give me permission for this update. ACM
57 also acknowledged this step. Now, I would like to ask, if this is ok
58 with you.
59
60 Thank you,
61 Clemens
62
63 P.S. Here are the mails from Ramana Rao, ACM and Bill York:
64
65 Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour
66 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:47:05 -0800
67 From: "Ramana Rao" <rao@inxight.com>
68 To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" <clemens@endorphin.org>
69 Cc: "Bill York" <york@comergent.com>
70
71 Clemens,
72 Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get my hands on the original
73 tex source for that article. I happily give you permission to adapt the
74 text as supports the CLIM community. I've really been out of touch and
75 would be curious to hear any highlights of what's happening there.
76
77 Meanwhile, Bill York may be able to put his hands on the tex source.
78
79 Thanks,
80 Ramana
81
82 Subject: RE: CLIM a guided tour
83 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:31:21 -0600
84 From: "Bill York" <york@comergent.com>
85 To: "Clemens Fruhwirth" <clemens@endorphin.org>
86 Cc: "Ramana Rao" <rao@inxight.com>
87
88 I don't seem to have the source file. Good luck in your efforts.
89
90 From: Deborah Cotton <cotton@hq.acm.org>
91 To: 'Clemens Fruhwirth' <clemens@endorphin.org>
92 Cc: permissions@acm.org
93 Subject: RE: Update to http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121996
94 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:56:15 -0500
95 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72)
96
97 Dear Mr. Fruhwirth,
98
99 Thank you for your inquiry, and interest in ACM publications.
100
101 Because the article in question appeared in a SIG newsletter, rather than a
102 journal or conference proceedings, the authors retained copyright. In
103 this case, ACM only requires acknowledgment of the original publication.
104
105 You have received permission from two of the three authors, but you
106 should also pursue the third author's permission, especially since you
107 have revised the original work.
108
109 Let me know if you have any further questions.
110
111 Best regards,
112
113 Deborah Cotton
114 Copyright & Permissions
115 ACM Publications
116 212.869.7440 ext. 652
117 212.869.0481 fax
118 permissions@acm.org
119
120 --
121 Fruhwirth Clemens - http://clemens.endorphin.org
122 for robots: sp4mtrap@endorphin.org
123
124 From: Robert Strandh <strandh@labri.fr>
125 Message-ID: <17326.56044.483289.241972@serveur5.labri.fr>
126 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 18:46:20 +0100
127 To: clemens@endorphin.org
128 Subject: forwarded message from Dennis Doughty
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135 We got the permission!
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175 From: Dennis Doughty <doughty@alum.mit.edu>
176 To: strandh@labri.fr
177 Subject: Re: permission to update your CLIM article
178 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 06:51:05 -0500
179
180 Hi Robert,
181
182 Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I'm no longer
183 at Pantero and it's only a coincidence that I ended up seeing
184 this email.
185
186 Absolutely you may have my permission to update the article.
187
188 Dennis Doughty
189
190 > From: *Robert Strandh* <strandh@labri.fr <mailto:strandh@labri.fr>>
191 > Date: Dec 17, 2005 4:37 PM
192 > Subject: permission to update your CLIM article
193 > To: dennis.doughty@pantero.com <mailto:dennis.doughty@pantero.com>
194 >
195 > Dear Dennis Doughty,
196 >
197 > I am one of the original authors of McCLIM, the free implementation of
198 > CLIM that we started writing in 2000 and which is now quite usable.
199 > One of the things we lack at the moment to spread the use of CLIM is a
200 > collection of simple examples on typical usage. Your CLIM article has
201 > some very good ones, but it was apparently written for CLIM 1, and the
202 > examples do not necessarily run unmodified on a CLIM 2
203 > implementation.
204 >
205 > Clemens Fruhwirth has suggested updating the examples of your article,
206 > but for that, he needs the permission of all the authors. He has
207 > already obtained the permission from your co-authors, so we need a
208 > permission from you as well in order to go ahead. Clemens would
209 > naturally accept a refusal on your part, and is willing to write a
210 > similar article from scratch, updated for CLIM 2, but that would be
211 > unnecessary work, should you agree to let him update yours.
212 >
213 > We therefore kindly ask for your permission to update the article, or
214 > at least a clear message indicating that you do not give us such a
215 > permission. I am sure you are very busy like the rest of us, but I
216 > would very much appreciate this effort on your part.
217 >
218 > Thanks in advance,
219 > --
220 > Robert Strandh
221 >
222 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
223 > Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C
224 > or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden
225 > slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
226 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
227 >
228
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236 --
237 Robert Strandh
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239 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
240 Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: any sufficiently complicated C
241 or Fortran program contains an ad hoc informally-specified bug-ridden
242 slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.
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244
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